Pizza was first called pie when Italian immigrants arrived in the United States in the late 1800s. Pizza had similarities to a pie – with a crust, sliced triangle portions and its circular shape. Italian-Americans sold and popularized the pizzas, and the exotic dish picked up the English name “tomato pie”.
Why is American pizza called Pizza Pie?
The term pie might have been first used in New York where Italian immigrants had settled from the second half of the 19th century. My idea is that Americans rightly called it ‘pie’. But since Italians told them its name was pizza, ‘pizza pie’ was a natural way to call it. Gennaro Lombardi entered the picture as the father of American pizza.
Why do people call pizza’pie’?
I’m from Jersey and people call pizza ‘pie’ all the time, probably because ‘pizza’ is the Italian word for ‘pie’.
What is the Italian word for pie?
R6, the Italian word for ‘pie’ is not ‘pizza’. The word for a sweet pie (e.g., filled with fruit) is ‘torta’ — for a savory pie (e.g., filled with meat) the word is ‘pasticcio’. As a child in the midwest during the fifties, people referred to pizza as ‘pizza pie’ — probably an American term not used in Italy (& maybe not used much here anymore).
Where does ″pizza pie″ originate?
- I was asked this question 6 years and 7 months ago. Viewed a total of 78k times It is important to note that the Italianissimo pizza, pronounced /pi:a/, is not necessarily spelt or referred to as pizza across the world: Pica is spelt pica in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Belarus, Macedonia, and Serbia, and it is pronounced/pîtsa/ in Belarus.
- Pitsa is the name of the dish in Estonian
- pitsa is the name of the dish in Greek
- pitza is the name of the dish in Haitian.
- In Thai, it’s known as (Phiss)
- in Vietnamese, it’s known as bánh pizza.
- Except in the United States, where some Americans refer to it as pizza pie, the rest of the world refers to it as plain pizza. I’m not aware of any other place in the globe (with the exception of Vietnam and China) where the Neapolitan dish is a compound term. On the internet, there are a plethora of theories to consider: I’ve read claims that pizza is called pie because it’s cut into triangles, that its round shape is reminiscent of a pie chart, that the first pizzas baked in the United States were simply called tomato pies, and that pizza is the Italian word for ″pie.″ However, that last claim is untrue
- pizza is the Italian word for ″pie.″ In Italy, pies, cakes, tarts, and pizzas are not interchangeable terms for the same thing. Un dolce (″a sweet″) is the word for any cake or fruit filled tart, whereas torta (a savoury or sweet-filling open pie) refers to both cakes and open pies with a savoury or sweet filling. For example, torta di verdure is the name for a ″open vegetable pie,″ while torta di compleanno is the name for a ″birthday cake.″ Pizza dough baked without any toppings (save for a good drizzle of olive oil and a sprinkle of sea salt crystals) is known as focaccia, while in other regions of Italy, the phrase pizza bianca (″white pizza″) is used to refer to pizza dough baked without any toppings. I believe the name ″pie″ in the English language relates specifically to the crust, and as we all know, pies always include a filling, whether it is sweet or savory in nature. Tomatoes and mozzarella cheese are often used to top an open ″pie,″ but in the United States, the possibilities are virtually endless. Did you know that the 9th of February is National Pizza Pie Day in the United States? Unfortunately, I was unable to determine how ancient this epicurean feast is or where it started, but it does indicate that the phrase ″pizza pie″ is still in use today. The song ″When the moon hits your eye like a giant pizza pie″ was written by Dean Martin in 1953. That’s what I mean by amore. How about the phrase ″pizza pie″? When did they first appear in print?
- And from where did it come about?
- What is the source of this phenomenon?
- Answered on July 31, 2015 at 8:18 a.m.
- Mari-Lou AMari-Lou A84.6k83 gold badges288 silver badges545 bronze badges Mari-Lou A84.6k83 gold badges288 silver badges545 copper badges 2 According to my assumptions, it was Italian immigrants in the United States that came up with the duplicate name as a type of Rosetta Stone strategy to calling things in both familiar Italian and foreign English.
- Google Books searches unearth up an interesting but all-too-brief mention on the likely origins of pizza pie in Arthur Livingston’s ″La Merica Sanemagogna,″ published in The Romanic Review (April–June 1918): ″The Merica Sanemagogna″ (The Merica Sanemagogna is the name of the pie).
- Two examples that I am familiar with are canabuldogga, which translates as ″bull-dog,″ and pizza-paia, which translates as ″pizza-paia.″ Long before I realized what I was looking at, I assumed we were dealing with a ″piece-of-pie″ in its purest form.
- I believe it was Professor Ettari of the City College of New York who first pointed out to me that pizzapaia is actually pizza + pie.
- It’s the famed tedescheria dish known as ″cheese-cake,″ which is a depreciation of the American custard pie in many ways.
Michael La Sorte’s book La Merica: Images Of Italian Greenhorn Experience (2010) confirms Livingston’s description, which was published decades later.The Neapolitan dialect had a significant impact on the development of Italglish.The letter ncuop is the same as the word up.Ncuop was used either alone or in combination with other terms to denote ″uptown″ (coppetane) and ″upstairs″ (coppesteso).
- Dollaro, an apparent translation of the word ″dollar,″ was never popular among the people of southern Italy.
- They preferred the dialect phrases scudo or pezzo over the more formal terminology.
- Pizzapaia was created by combining the words ″pie″ and ″pizza.″ Literally, the phrase is redundant since it refers to pizza pizza—or pie pie—instead of pizza pizza or pie pie.
- Even linguists of the time were baffled by the real meaning of Pizzapaia, which was ambiguous enough that even they couldn’t figure out where it came from.
- A variety of scenarios were referred to by this term, including pizza, pie, or a specific sort of pastry, as well as a guy of dubious masculinity.
- It is my opinion, as mentioned in Josh61’s answer to this subject, that the genesis of pizza pie (and of pizzapaia) was probably definitely New York City, which I believe to be correct.
- answered @ 10:30 a.m.
- on July 31, 2015 Sven Yargs is a Swedish author and illustrator.
- 364 silver badges 674 bronze badges Sven Yargs 149k31 Gold Badges 364 Silver Badges 674 Bronze Badges 5 In New York, where Italian immigrants had resided during the second half of the nineteenth century, it’s possible that the name ″pie″ was originally used.
- My hypothesis is that the Americans were correct in calling it a ‘pie.’ However, because the Italians informed them that the dish was known as pizza, the term ″pizza pie″ seemed an obvious choice.
- When Gennaro Lombardi came into the scene, he was dubbed ″the Father of American Pizza.″ In 1897, he launched his first grocery store in New York City, which rapidly became a favorite lunchtime haunt after Gennaro began serving tomato and cheese pies to go.
- Gennaro’s first pizzas were wrapped in simple paper for ease of transport, and they quickly became a favorite among the company’s employees.
- Gennaro came up with the notion of selling his pizzas by the slice, which he implemented.
- With inspiration from The Pie That Conquered America – The First Pizzeria in the United States More information can be gained from the following useful comment: Pizza pie is, after all, just pizza. However, it is becoming less and less prevalent over time, though you will still hear it, and the single pie is becoming increasingly popular as a pizza unit.
- Pizza pie is first recorded in the OED in 1939, and it is also the first time that the word pizza is used in a non-Italian (i.e., American) context. Tomato pie is another old name for a pizza that was once common in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Pennsylvania, and it is first recorded in the DARE dictionary in 1942. During my time working on the Seaside Heights, New Jersey beachfront in the 1980s, I recall seeing a sign advertising ″Maruca’s Tomato Pies,″ but no one ever really referred to them as tomato pies.
- There is evidence of the word ″pizza pie″ being used in an article written by culinary columnist Clementine Paddleford of The New York Herald Tribune on April 21, 1939, which states: The majority of Americans, on the other hand, had never heard of pizza until that point.
- ″If someone proposes a ‘pizza pie’ after the play, don’t expect it to be a slice of apple,″ Clementine Paddleford, a culinary journalist for the New York Herald Tribune, wrote in 1939.
- ″It’s going to be the biggest surprise of your life, and it’ll be a great trick to do to surprise the visiting relatives who are on their way to the World’s Fair in the East.
- You want them to be astonished so you serve them pizza, which should be called ″peet-za.″″
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- on July 31, 2015 The classic Italian meal is explicitly mentioned in a New-York Tribune story published on December 6, 1903, in which the journalist plainly refers to it.
- The article is titled: Do Spicy Foods Increase the Risk of Fiery Natures?
- The author also mentions the term ″itpomodori pizza,″ which was used by Italian immigrants residing in New York at the start of the twentieth century (tomato pizza).
- Native New Yorkers saw the resemblance to a pie and dubbed it ″tomato pie″ as a result.
- It is worth mentioning that the meal did not contain any mozzarella, a cheese that would have been hard to come by in any New York grocery shop in the late 1800s.
Although the writer misspells it as pomodore pizza in the story, this is a forgivable error.Take a lump of dough and smooth it out with a roller until it is barely an inch thick, then slice it in half.Sprinkle tomatoes and a generous amount of powdered red pepper over the top of the dish.Then bake the concoction for a few minutes.
- Meanwhile, in the United States, the delicacies ″green tomato pie″ and ″ripe tomato pie,″ both of which were popular in the nineteenth century, were well-known.
- Because of this, it is possible that the more exotic name ″pizza″ was tacked onto the word ″pie″ at a later period in order to prevent any mistake.
- In addition, the reporter noted ″salami pizza,″ which he interpreted as ″bologna pie.″ I’m not sure if the term ″bologna″ or ″bologna sausage″ used to refer to salami in the past, but it is now widely known as the American word for mortadella (a kind of salami).
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- I’ve heard it used, but it’s not quite as prevalent as the word ″pizza,″ which is significantly more frequent.
- This Google n-gram, which is exclusive to American English, compares use patterns.
- Posted on July 31, 2015 at 21:09 Octopus8715 silver badges14 bronze badges Octopus8715 silver badges This restaurant is highly recommended since ″The Gaylords″ (who were quite renowned in the fifties and sixties) use the terms ″pizza″ and ″pizza pie″ interchangeably there.
- Italian pizza is simply a form of pie, and that’s all there is to it.
- I would also recommend listening to the other songs by the group.
- solution given on August 5, 2015 at 15:10 alsaalsa3401 silver badge6 bronze badges alsaalsa3401 silver badge 1 Despite the fact that my parents, who are in their early 80s today and grew up in Yonkers, near the Bronx city boundary, never referred to pizza as pizza, they always referred to it as ″hot pie.″ Dad was of Irish descent, while mom was of German descent.
- Many of us in the Yonkers communities on the internet recall hearing about hot pie when we were kids.
- responded to at 19:01 on August 6, 2015 3 When I was growing up in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, we always referred to a complete pie as ″a pizza pie,″ whether we were making it or ordering it.
- If you only desired a piece, it is referred to as a ″slice.″ The term ″Sicilian″ was used to refer to a square when you desired one.
Which of the Sicilian pies was my favorite?It was the middle cut, which was my favorite.That is, by the way, we never referred to it as a Sicilian pie; instead, it was referred to as a ″whole sicilian.″ Here’s how the orders would be structured: ″Frankie Boy, I’ll have a slice of your pie, please.″ Thank you very much, Vito.
- ″I’ll have a Sicilian from the middle, Joey, with a fountain Coke,″ says the waiter.
- ″Put me down for two pepperoni pizzas and a full sicilian with extra cheese to take away.″ It’s a New York phenomenon, as the response indicates.
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r/AskReddit – Why do Americans call Pizzas – ″Pies″?
- When the moon hits your eye like a giant pizza pie, you’ve reached level one. level 1This is not a uniquely American phenomenon, but rather a North Eastern American phenomenon. The most common places where I’ve heard it are Massachusetts and New Jersey. In the South and West coasts, I’ve never heard anyone refer to pizza pies as pies. a second-grade education I’m in Massachusetts, yet I’ve never heard someone refer to a pizza as a pie before. The only items I’ve heard referred to as pies are, well, pies. Is it possible that it is a very specific region of New England? 1st grade I have never in my life referred to a pizza as a ″pie,″ despite the fact that I am an American. Even more bizarrely, I’ve never heard someone refer to a pizza as a ″pie″ before. As a result, my response is that Americans do not refer to pizzas as ″pies.″ The only individuals that do this are those living on the east coast. similar to those in new york and boston They also do bizarre things like calling Coca-Cola or Pepsi ″pop.″ 1st grade Some people do. Some do, while others do not. A lot of people on the east coast refer to them as such. level 2There is no level 2 in the Mid-Atlantic. Perhaps up in the north. level 1I’ve never referred to it as a pie before. I’ve seen it done on television (typically in programs set in New York), but I’ve never heard someone refer to it that way in person. level 1: Where have all of you folks who have never heard the term ″pie″ come from? I can accept that the phrase may be more prevalent in some locations than others, but never? Perhaps you should spend less time in your parent’s basement, playing World of Warcraft with them. level 1Because they’re making an attempt to appear hip 1st grade I hope I’m not being overly dramatic or harsh in my statement, but anyone who refers to a pizza as a ″pie″ ought to be drowned in a septic tank, in my opinion. A whole pizza is what almost everyone in New York refers to as a ″level 2.″ A Pie, to be precise. for the reason that you cut it into triangular slices like you would a pie. level 1This is not true for all Americans. Deep dish pizzas, on the other hand, have the appearance of having a pie crust on them. 1st grade What prompted you to make such sweeping generalizations in the first place? Everyone I’ve ever met has never referred to pizza as a pie. 1st grade A classic Sicilian pizza resembles a pie in appearance. 1st grade Not everyone refers to it as a pie. 1st grade They are, in reality, pies, as the name suggests. 1st grade Because there is a lot of unwelcome hatred in this topic, I’ll point out a few things: I live on Long Island, which is an extension of New York City and home to many Italians and hundreds of excellent pizza establishments, and: Yes, we do refer to pizza as ″a pie″ here
- however, we can refer to it as ″a pizza″ without difficulty
- we have proper pizza here, not just Domino’s and Pizza Hut
- we have proper pizza here, not just Domino’s and Pizza Hut Our pizzas are most likely substantially larger than what you’re used to seeing elsewhere
- Furthermore, ″pop″ is not used in this dialect
- this is ″soda″ country, not ″pop″ country.
Level 1 is the most basic level of difficulty. We virtually never follow through. That word is only familiar to me since it is used by elderly Italian-Americans (over 65 years old) from New Jersey or elsewhere. And they are quite precise about it: ″pizza pie,″ not just ″pie,″ is what they order.
Why Is Pizza Called Pie? All About The Other Name For Pizza
- When it comes to recipes and other media, the terms pizza and pie are frequently used interchangeably.
- However, why would you name anything after another dish?
- What was the source of all this?
- You can learn all you need to know about it right here.
- So, why is pizza referred to as pie?
- When Italian immigrants came in the United States in the late 1800s, they referred to pizza as ″pie.″ Pizza was comparable to a pie in that it had a crust, was divided into triangle parts, and had a round appearance.
The pizzas were marketed and promoted by Italian-Americans, and the unusual food gained the English term ″tomato pie″ as a result of their efforts.It was some time after that that the languages came together in the center, giving us the name ″pizza pie.″ It may be a well-known term to you, or it could be something you’ve only recently heard…″When a moon catches your eye like a giant pizza pie, that’s amore,″ Dean Martin sang in his 1953 hit song ″Amore,″ and I’m sure you can recall the reference to a pizza pie in the song.Let’s take a look at how we arrived to this point.
Where Did It Come From?
- It’s quite likely that the cuisine originated in New York, where a large number of Italians settled and introduced the dish.
- New York is home to the world’s earliest documented accounts of the term, as well as the world’s first pizzeria.
- One of the oldest documented usage may be found in an article published on December 6th, 1903, in the New-York Tribune.
- Many New Yorkers would have lumped the new, strange food in with pies, and the journalist has followed their lead – ″the Italians have devised a new sort of pie″ – in his article.
- This was known as a ″pomidore pizza″ back then, with pomodori being Italian for tomato, as you can see in the picture.
- For whatever reason, whether it was a choice to coin an English title for the meal or simply because the two dishes were so similar, it is easy to understand how the phrase ″tomato pie″ came to be used.
Gennaro Lombardi, sometimes known as the ″Father of American Pizza,″ was a well-known person at the time.In 1897, he opened a grocery store in Manhattan and began selling tomato pies to office employees during their lunch breaks.He sold pizza by the slice and wrapped it up for takeout, and the establishment quickly became a popular and handy lunch place.And it was from there that the city of New York began its obsession for sliced pizza.
- This restaurant, which opened in 1905 and is widely considered to be the world’s first pizza, is renowned as the first pizzeria in the United States.
- It is currently owned and operated by his grandson, and the pizza is still baked in a classic coal-fired brick oven.
- Although it is a frequent misperception that the word pizza is synonymous with the word pie, this is not the case.
- Pizza is a term that is solely used to describe pizza in Italy, and not to describe any other pie-like food.
- More information on the Italian origins may be found further down in the article.
What Does The Word Pie Mean When Referring To Pizza?
- Pizza pie is just pizza and does not relate to a particular form of pizza — even thin crust pizza can be referred to as a pie in this context.
- However, when it comes to referring to the amount of pizza, it does make a difference.
- If you’re talking about a complete pizza, the phrase ″pie″ or ″pizza pie″ is frequently used to refer to the entire pizza.
- As contrast to a single piece, which is more commonly referred to as a ″slice.″ A pie is frequently used in New York, where pizza is a term that refers to an unknown item, similar to the way that water is used to refer to an unknown product.
- You wouldn’t order water; you’d order a bottle of water, instead.
- In the same way, you might order a pie or a piece of pizza.
This essentially translates to ″a pizza pie″ or ″a pizza slice,″ depending on your preference.The phrase ″a pizza″ or ″a piece of pizza″ does not make any sense in that context.Some instances include ordering pizza – ″I ordered two full pies last week, but only a slice today″ – and referring to it as ″I ordered two whole pies last week, but only a slice today.″ Use it as an additional noun to describe a complete pizza, such as ″I baked a 14-inch pizza in my oven, and it turned out to be a wonderfully cooked pie.″
Who Calls Pizza A Pie?
- The term ″pie″ is only used in conjunction with pizza in the United States, and only in select places.
- Older generations of Italian-Americans are more likely to use the whole sentence than younger generations.
- As a slang phrase for pizza, the term pie is now more commonly used on its own, as in ″I’ll take two pies to go.″ Even within the United States, there are variations in usage, with the north east coast, notably New York, having the most popular usage.
- Some people in the United States have never even heard of the word.
- Pizza pie never really took off outside of the United States, which may explain why people are perplexed when they hear the term ″pie″ while discussing pizzas, because a pie is often made with pastry.
Does Pizza Mean Pie in Italian?
- Contrary to popular belief, the word pizza does not translate as ″pie″ in Italian.
- Pizza is a distinct entity and a distinct food in and of itself; hence, in Italy, you would not use the term pizza to describe an actual pie.
- Pies with sweet or savory fillings are described by various words, such as torta or crostata, however the name pizza would never be used to describe such a pie.
- The term ″pizza″ refers to exactly one type of meal, and it is that dish.
So Where Did Pizza Get Its Name?
- Due to the countless influences that language has absorbed over the years, the roots of pizza have been confused, resulting in several plausible sources.
- When it comes to pizza, ″pitta″ is most likely associated with Greece – the circular flatbread that can occasionally be topped with other ingredients.
- The Ancient Greek term ″pikte,″ which meant ″fermented pastry,″ was transformed into the Latin word ″picta,″ which eventually passed into the hands of the Italians.
- Perhaps it came from the term ″pizzo,″ which means ″moutful″ in Italian and is of Lombardic origin, which they brought with them when they conquered Italy in the 6th century.
- According to a Latin letter dating back to 997 AD, the earliest recorded use of the term ″pizza″ was in a statement that the bishop of the Italian town Gaeta was to receive duodecim pizze or ″twelve pizzas″ on Christmas Day and Easter Sunday, respectively.
Other Pizza Names Around The World
- Pizza is, without a doubt, the most popular meal on the planet.
- The basic and staple dish from Naples has spread around the world in a variety of forms.
- The phrase ″pizza″ is regularly heard and understood throughout the majority of the world.
- Except for a few minor modifications that are extremely similar to the original pronunciation, such as how it is spelled or spoken, the pronunciation is very identical to the original pronunciation.
- When you order bánh pizza in Vietnam, you are actually ordering cake or pie, thus you can see the effect of the United States on their culinary traditions.
History And The Use Of The Words
Pizza In The United States
- So, while the term pizza is a very old word, it has stayed firmly rooted in Italian culture until quite recently.
- The first stores and pizzerias opened in New York and New Jersey in the early 1900s, but it wasn’t until the Second World War that the popularity of pizza fully took off.
- Soldiers from the United States stationed in Italy sent back stories of the tomato and cheese pie they had had while on duty.
- It was the combined effect of returning troops and Italian immigrants in the United States that was responsible for bringing pizza into the public consciousness.
- Between the late 1800s through the 1940s, the majority of pizza was consumed by Italian immigrants and their descendants.
- After World War II, it became more commonly available for consumption.
The deep dish pizza from Chicago was first served in 1943.When it was released in 1953, it became successful enough to be used in Dean Martin’s Amore.In 1960, it was featured in a Popeye the Sailor episode.The rest, as they say, is history, and pizza has grown to become one of the most popular foods in the United States, thanks to the proliferation of pizza chains and fast food restaurants.
- Pizza Hut and Domino’s were formed in 1958 and 1960, respectively, to become the largest food-service corporations in the world.
- According to research, 13 percent of Americans, or around 1 in every 8 people, consume pizza on any given day.
Pizza Vs Pizza Pie
- The Google Books Ngram of the two sentences is depicted in the following chart.
- This graph depicts the annual count of the words ″pizza″ and ″pizza pie″ found in printed sources from 1800 to the present.
- As you can see, pizza pie has never been quite as popular as it is now.
- It saw a minor increase in the 1990s, but has recently begun to decline once more.
- It’s fascinating to observe the surge in popularity of pizza immediately following the outbreak of World War II.
Where Did Pizza Come From?
- Many countries have staked claims to the invention of pizza.
- With the Chinese, the Middle East, and Europe all selling circular flat bread-like dishes with cheese and toppings, it’s no surprise that they’re popular.
- However, the pizza that we are familiar with today originated in Napoli, where it served as a working-class lunch for the people who resided there.
- Given that Napoli is an industrial port, it is not surprising that the wives of port employees and street sellers would bake tomato pizzas for the sea workers, which is where the term ″marinara″ originated.
- These could be quickly folded up and eaten without the use of a knife and fork.
- The toppings were kept to a minimum in order for the meal to be affordable, straightforward, and likely to last longer.
It was in 1889 when Margherita of Savoy, the Queen of Italy, traveled to Naples to sample the local cuisine.Raffaele Esposito, a pizzaiolo from Naples, made a pizza using tomato, mozzarella, and basil to represent the country’s flag.It was a rousing success, and the Margherita pizza was created.
Is Pizza American Or Italian?
- The origins of the pizza that we know today can most definitely be traced back to Italy.
- A basic marinara or margarita, or else whatever ingredients were accessible to working class Neapolitans, topped with a simple garnish.
- And this was only the beginning of the enormous diversity that can now be found all over the planet.
- However, it was after it was taken to America that it was re-invented and then re-exported all over the globe.
- Much like other items, such as hamburgers and other meals, the United States elevated it to a higher level by adding more toppings and establishing larger corporations.
- So, while Italy is credited with the invention of pizza, the United States has developed a distinct style that is distinct from the rest of the world.
So Is Pizza Considered A Pie?
- They have several characteristics in common – both have a crust, are spherical, and are sliced into slices – as well as significant differences.
- Despite the fact that pastry is generally a fundamental component of pies, there are certain problems in the concept.
- The general view is that pizzas are not technically pies, but that term has stayed because it is easy to remember.
- The majority of sources suggest that the phrase is becoming more outdated and less prevalent, with elder Italian-American generations being the most frequent users.
- It all depends on where you are and what you’re doing when you call something a pie.
- The term ″pie″ would be easily understood if you were on the east coast of the United States.
It is possible that you will not get what you asked for if you are in another country, particularly outside of the United States, because a pizza is not often regarded a pie there.
- Was there a significant difference between a pizza and an Italian pie?
- They are both made of the same ingredients.
- When ordering pizza, the term ″pizza pie″ is frequently used to refer to the amount of pizza being ordered.
- A complete pizza is referred to as a ″whole pie,″ whereas a slice of pizza is referred to as a slice of pizza.
- This is most typically encountered in the city of New York.
- Do you know what the distinction is between tomato pie and pizza?
Depending on where you live, this may be the case.Although tomato pie is often made with a thick, rectangular, chewy foundation, similar to a focaccia, and is topped in excellent crushed tomatoes because it is the primary component, there are variations.An optional garnish of hard cheese, such as Parmesan or another Romano cheese, and olive oil can be added to complete the dish.Pizza comes in a variety of shapes and sizes, but it is often spherical, has a bigger crust, and has more toppings, such as mozzarella and pepperoni, than other types of food.
Why Is Pizza Called Pie? How the Name Originated?
- The voice on the loudspeaker says, ″Ticket number 23, your pie is ready.″ I’m seated at Gino’s East restaurant in Rosemont, Illinois, when the voice says, ″Ticket number 23, your pie is ready.″ For a moment, I am taken aback, and I take another look at my ticket.
- It has the number 23 on it.
- Consequently, I am wondering to myself, ″Wait a minute, did I order a pizza or a pie?″.
- I take my time walking up to the counter, where the attendant offers me a pizza.
- The question, ″Why is pizza referred to as pie,″ persists in my thoughts as I walk out of the restaurant as I write this.
Apple pie, chocolate cream pie, and cherry pie are some of my favorite desserts.The shepherd’s pie does not even come close to becoming one of my favorite recipes.However, whenever the word pie is used, pictures of pie keep racing through my head.I’m confident that you, too, have found yourself in a similar scenario when attempting to figure out how pizza came to be known as ″pie.″ If you continue reading, you will have a better understanding of why some people, particularly in the United States, refer to pizza as a pie.
How the Name Originated?
- Gennaro Lombardi is a legendary character in New York City who is credited with introducing pizza to the city.
- Since 1897, the Italian immigrant has been selling tomato pies during the lunch hour in his grocery store in Manhattan.
- In 1905, he obtained a license to open a restaurant, which went on to become the first pizza in the United States.
- The restaurant was extremely busy at lunch hour, and it served as an inspiration for other entrepreneurs to start their own pizza businesses.
- The New-York Tribune published a story about the pizza on the 6th of December, 1903, describing it as ″an Italian pie.″ It tells the story of how an Italian came up with the idea for a pomidore, or tomato pizza.
- Also included is a brief overview of the process through which the pizza is created.
The article plays a significant role in explaining why many people refer to pizza as a pie.Following the success of Lombardi’s restaurant, a large number of Italians founded similar establishments around Boston, New Jersey, and Manhattan.Pizza’s popularity expanded swiftly, although it was mostly considered a poor man’s cuisine.The majority of the customers were Italians at the time.
- Following World War II, there was a paradigm change in thinking.
- Returning veterans from Europe wished to eat the same pizza they had enjoyed on their last trip over the pond.
- Significant adjustments have occurred since then to meet regional preferences, and pizza consumption has spread throughout the United States.
- Pizza is becoming a popular dinner for people of all ages in the United States.
- It is a convenient method to get a snack while stuck in traffic or dealing with a hectic schedule.
- In general usage among the elder generations, the name ″pie″ is still employed.
- Many people in the United States will refer to pie as slang for pizza.
- For those who live in New York City, it is practically expected to hear someone order a pie and then receive a pizza.
- Many people refer to the entire pizza as a pie, rather than just a slice, when they are referring to it.
Where Pizza Get Its Name
- For a long time, there has been a heated argument about whether the term ″pizza″ originated in Italy or elsewhere.
- This is due to the fact that the name became renowned throughout the twentieth century as a result of the influx of Italian immigrants into the United States.
- Pomidore pizza was a type of pizza that these migrants would prepare and sell, which was topped with slices of tomato.
- The term ″pizza″ was first recorded in Gaeta, Italy, in 997 AD, according to historical sources.
- On Christmas Day and Easter Sunday, according to the documents, the bishop of the little town would get ″duodecim pizze,″ or twelve pizzas, from a certain tenant who lived nearby.
- The debate about the name’s origins continues to be a point of contention.
The paperwork is written in Latin, which is a Roman language.Some scholars, on the other hand, claim that the term comes from Italy and is derived from the word ″point,″ which evolved into ″pizzicare,″ which means ″to pinch″ or ″to pluck.″ Others believe it may have derived from ″pinsa,″ which is the past participle of ″pinsere,″ which means to pound, and refers to the process of flattening the dough as it is baked.A fermenting pastry, on the other hand, was referred to as ″pikte″ in ancient Greek.In Latin, the term was renamed ″picta.″ Other academics contend that the name derives from the Lombardic word ″pizzo″ or ″bizzo,″ which means ″mouthful,″ and that the term is thus of Lombardic origin.
What is a Pie?
- It will be easier to determine the similarities and differences between the two names if you have a good knowledge of what a pie is.
- When you make pie, you fill a pastry shell with savory ingredients and bake it until the crust is crisp, which takes about 30 minutes.
- The majority of the time, an additional crust is placed on top.
- A pie is typically 8 inches in diameter and 2 inches thick, with a crust that is baked to perfection.
- It is made up of custard, a sweet fruit filling, or pastry cream, depending on the recipe.
- Traditionally, the pie is made using flour, water, salt, and shortening or butter as the primary ingredients.
It is important to note that pies are only cooked once.As a result, it indicates that anything that is fried, boiled, or steamed does not qualify as a pie.The golden rule of pie making is that the pastry must be made from grain, wheat, rice, cookie crumbs, or cracker crumbs, among other ingredients.Any meal that does not contain crust does not qualify as a pie.
- In Europe, it is essential that the pie has a bottom and a top crust, else the pie will not be considered complete.
- In contrast, in the United States, the bottom crust is the most important part of a pie.
- To contain the contents of the fillings, the pastry must be raised above the level of the fillings.
- Pies come in a variety of flavors, including chocolate cream, cherry pie, apple pie, and pumpkin pie, to name a few.
- Apple pie is unquestionably the most popular dessert in the United States.
- Pumpkin pie is a Thanksgiving Day staple that may be found in practically every home in the United States.
- Tart is the term used to describe an open pie.
- The most significant difference between the two is that the tart has a thicker foundation, and the contents are visible from the top of the tart.
- However, the pie is encased by a thinner shell than the previous one.
What is a Pizza?
- A pizza is a circular flatbread prepared from dough that is topped with tomato sauce, cheese, and other ingredients and cooked in an oven to create a delicious meal.
- Pizza is made by combining wheat flour, yeast, warm water, mozzarella cheese, and pizza sauce in a large mixing bowl.
- After that, the desired toppings are applied before the pizzas are placed in the oven.
- Sausage, pepperoni, salami, bacon, pig, and chicken are some of the meats that can be used as toppings.
- You may also choose a vegetarian pizza that includes toppings such as mushrooms, oregano, olives, broccoli artichokes, green pepper, and spinach, among others.
- There are many different kinds of pizza served all around the world.
Different establishments use different toppings, making it impossible to determine which is the finest pizza in the world.Additionally, different people create pizza according to their own recipes.Despite the wide variety of techniques employed in various locations, the crust of the pizza is readily digestible.Among the most common types of pizza are St.
- Louis style, California style, Greek style, Silian style, New York style, Chicago style, and Neapolitan style pizza.
- The Neapolitan pizza, which has its origins in Italy, is considered to be the oldest type of pizza.
- Pizzerias first appeared in the 18th century, and they were mostly linked with the working class near the coast.
- Margherita pizza and Marinara pizza are two of the most popular variants.
History of Pizza
- Pizza’s history and origins may be traced back to the sixth century BC in Italy.
- According to historical records, Persian troops would bake flatbread on their shields and top it with cheese before going into battle.
- Until the sixteenth century, a significant discovery was made.
- It occurred as a result of the usage of tomatoes on the dough by the people of Naples.
- The fact that they were not harmful, contrary to popular perception, signaled the birth of what we now know as pizza.
- The impoverished residents of Naples would season their food with herbs, olive oil, and cheese in order to provide for their family.
Flatbreads were baked by the bakers in order to test the temperatures of their ovens.They would sell the flatbreads to the underprivileged workers during their lunch breaks since they did not want to squander the flatbreads they had made.The employees would then top the bread with various toppings and seasonings, resulting in the invention of pizza.Raffaele Esposito, a chef de cuisine in Naples, prepared three pizzas for King Umberto and his wife, Queen Margherita di Savoia, during their visit to the city.
- The pizza featuring the Italian flag was a hit with the Queen, who expressed her appreciation in a letter to the chef.
- In honor of the Queen, Raffaele chose to name the pizza Margherita after her.
- According to Statista’s analysis, the pizza business will have 78 092 establishments in the United States by 2020.
- In addition, sales at pizza restaurants totaled $46.24 billion in the same period of time.
History of Pie
- The discovery of a carving of a chicken pie recipe that dates back to around 2000 BC is conclusive evidence that the Egyptians enjoyed pie.
- During the 5th century BC, the Ancient Greeks elevated the art by inventing pastry shells.
- Until the 16th century, meat pies were the only type of pie available at the time.
- The pastry was rather stiff and not considered appetizing, but it was used to hold the contents while they were being prepared.
- The crust was given the nickname ″coffin″ or ″coffyn″ because it encircled the dish.
- It was in the United Kingdom when the first-ever fruit pie was made for Elizabeth I.
Since the colonial era, English settlers in the United States have introduced pie to the country.The meal has evolved over time and has become generally accepted throughout the United States.
Similarities between Pizza and Pie
- Despite their similar shapes, pizza and pie are both round in shape.
- Both pizza and pie are sliced into triangular-shaped chunks, and both are served hot.
- Pizza and pie are both prepared using crusts on the outside
Differences between Pizza and Pie
The most important component of a pizza is the toppings that are used to produce it, whereas the most important component of a pie is the pastry.
- Since the arrival of Italian immigrants, the term ″pie″ has been used to refer to a slice of homemade pizza.
- When it comes to New York, where Lombardi opened his first pizza business, it is a typical occurrence.
- Despite the fact that many people still refer to pizza as a pie, the two are not synonymous.
- The most significant distinction is noticed during the ordering process, during which pie refers to the entire pizza.
Why Pizza is Called Pie – The Story of American Tomato Pie
- People often refer to pizza as a ″pie″ in the northeastern United States, and whether you reside in the region or even watch American films set in the region, you’ve most certainly heard this term before.
- What is the reason behind this?
- Pizza is referred to as ″pie″ in the United States because Italian immigrants to the United States in the early twentieth century created and marketed a pizza known as a ″pomidore pizza.″ Due to the fact that it is spherical and sliced into pieces, this hitherto unknown Italian dish was translated into English as ″tomato pie.″ Because it was one of the first sorts of pizza to be served in the United States, the word ″pie″ remained and eventually came to be used to refer to any type of pizza.
- The term ″pie″ for pizza is still widely used by many New Yorkers today.
- As a result, the etymology of ″pizza pie″ is actually a history lesson on the history of pizza in the United States of America.
- Talk about the first pizza to be imported into the United States, the actual origins of the ″tomato pie,″ and whether or not pizza is even considered a pie in the first instance.
Pizza Pie Is A Uniquely American Phenomenon
- When I was growing up in New York City, I always referred to my favorite cuisine as ″pizza.″ I never included the word ″pie″ at the end of my sentences, and neither did the majority of my classmates.
- At least, that’s what I recall from my memory.
- However, the old-timers would frequently refer to pizza as pie, or even just as a ″pie″ in and of itself.
- I clearly recall the call ″table 4, your pie is ready,″ which was bellowed out above the din of the throng at one of my favorite pizza joints.
- At the same time, it left me perplexed a little bit as well.
- The pictures of apple and cherry pies that come to me when I think about pies are vivid.
My perception of a sheppard’s pie, which I dislike, was that it was more like a pie rather than a pizza.The fact that I just had rudimentary grasp of Italian did not assist me in this situation either.In Italian, pizza does not equate to pie.The ″crostata,″ which is really a type of tart, is the closest thing to a pie in the Italian language.
- Then there’s the ″torta,″ which is more of a cake in appearance.
- Even though both of these items are spherical dishes that are sliced into slices, neither would ever be referred to as a pizza.
- Pizza is the word used in Italian to refer to the dish.
- The word ″pizza″ means ″flat, circular crust with sauce and cheese on top,″ and no Italian would ever contemplate naming anything like that anything else.
- They would never classify a pizza in the same category as a torta or a crostata, for example.
- Why, therefore, do some Americans refer to pizza as a pie?
The History of The American Tomato Pie Pizza
Strangely enough, as I’ve become older, I’ve seen a greater number of individuals just referring to pizza as ″pie.″ No, it’s not a lot, but it’s more than I recall from my youth.I believe that many of these people have been affected by movies, or that they just want to seem to be pizza connoisseurs in light of the fact that everyone professes to be one these days.However, in order to understand why Americans refer to tomato pie as ″pie,″ we must first look at the history of tomato pie in the United States of America.Because the ″tomato pie″ was one of the earliest types of pizza to be offered in the United States, the term ″pizza″ has stuck in the country.The tomato pie is normally square in shape, with a thick focaccia-like dough on top, and it is covered with tomato sauce and a few additional ingredients before being baked.
Originally published in a 1903 edition of the New-York Tribune, this article discussed the cuisine Italian immigrants cooked and consumed on the East Side of New York City, but it was likely applicable to Italian immigrant communities all throughout the United States at the time.When reading this article, you will notice that what the author refers to as a pie is actually a pizza, or as the author refers to it, a ″pomidore pizza.″ It makes more logical that outside viewers of Italian cuisine would refer to an unusual circular item as a ″pie″ rather than the Italian immigrants themselves referring to the food as a pie.Naturally, Italian-born immigrants continued to refer to the cuisine as the same thing they had always called it — pizza.
- However, their English-speaking ancestors evidently took a fancy to the name ″pie,″ and this is how it came to be widely used and promoted till the present day.
Not All Americans Call A Pizza A Pie
As previously said, I never grew up hearing the term ″pizza pie″ — it was always the old-timers who referred to it that way.In truth, it appears that traditionally, the term ″pie″ has been used only in the New York City region, rather not throughout the remainder of the northeastern United States, as is frequently assumed.For example, my family in Boston, which likewise has a significant and long-established Italian community, has never referred to pizza as a pie in our household.In 1980, Barbara Hunt Lazerson, a linguist at Duke University, performed an informal research to see how many individuals truly refer to pizza as ″pie.″ The results were surprising.She accomplished this by surveying 183 college students, who represented a younger population, and asking them to identify every type of pie they could think of.
According to the findings of the survey, just 11 percent of the pupils identified pizza as a sort of pie.This survey isn’t perfect and may have been impacted by factors such as age and geography, but it does demonstrate that just a minority of Americans refer to pizza as ″pie.″
Pizza vs pie is a fun and endless discussion among American pizza aficionados, so I’m sure there are a lot of individuals who have had a different experience than I have had with pizza.Linguistics and etymology are also not precise sciences, thus my thesis is simply based on the greatest historical material we currently have at our disposal.Tomato pie is most likely the source of the term ″pie″ used by some Americans to refer to pizza, and it was brought to the United States by Italian immigrants who settled in the New York City region.Instead of the immigrants themselves, it was non-Italian speaking foreigners who coined the name ″pie″ to refer to pizza in the first place — for lack of a more appropriate phrase in English.In addition to New York City, this usage of the phrase appears to have gained favor in recent decades among those who consider themselves to be pizza connoisseurs as a whole.
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Does Pizza Mean Pie In Italian?
Contrary to common perception, the Italian word for pizza does not translate as ″pie.″ Simply said, the term pizza is an English translation of the Italian word for pizza.As a matter of fact, the term ″pizza″ does not appear anywhere in the Grande dizionario della lingua italiana, the most comprehensive dictionary of the Italian language, and there is no mention of anything having to do with the English word ″pie″ in it.The Italian term torta is the closest equivalent to the word pie.
What Is Pizza Pie’s Meaning?
Pizza pie is a regional American term that refers to the popular Italian meal pizza and is used to describe the dish. Due to the round form and triangular slices of pizza, it was first mentioned in a 1903 New York Post story, which compared pizza to a type of pie. The term ″pizza pie,″ or simply ″pie,″ is most commonly heard in the northeastern part of the country.
Do New Yorkers Say Pie For Pizza?
Because New York City was the first area where pizza was imported from Italy in the late nineteenth century, the city has created its own slang for the dish to refer to it informally.A 1903 New York Post story inspired many English-speaking New Yorkers to refer to pizza as ″a pie,″ despite the fact that the term ″pie″ does not translate into ″pizza″ in Italian.A pizza is neither a pie nor a cake, despite the fact that each of these items is round and may be sliced into pieces like a pizza.Many Americans, particularly those living in or near New York City, refer to pizza as pie or pizza pie, rather than as pizza.This is partly owing to the fact that English-speaking New Yorkers in the early twentieth century mistranslated the Italian word for pizza into the English word for pie.
Why Do Americans Call Pizza Pie?
Many Americans refer to pizza as ″pie″ because Italian immigrants to the United States in the nineteenth century brought with them a dish known as ″pizza pomidore,″ or tomato pizza.This pizza was later referred to as ″a form of pie″ in a New York Tribune piece published in 1903, and Americans, particularly those in New York City, have been referring to pizza as ″pie″ ever since.Despite the fact that many people refer to pizza as ″pie,″ a pizza is not, in fact, a pie.If you look up the word ″pizza″ in an Italian dictionary, you will find that it refers to a crust that is covered with tomatoes and mozzarella–there is no relation to the pie that we are familiar with in the United States.The term ″pie″ as we know it is considerably more closely related to the Italian word ″torta″ than it is to the word ″pizza.″
Why is pizza a pie?
- Why is pizza a pie? How do genuine Italians eat pizza? What is the history of pizza?
- Why is New York’s pizza so much superior than everywhere else?
- Which city in the United States has the finest pizza?
Why is pizza a pie?
When Italian immigrants came in the United States in the late 1800s, they referred to pizza as ″pie.″ Pizza was comparable to a pie in that it had a crust, was divided into triangle parts, and had a round appearance. The pizzas were marketed and promoted by Italian-Americans, and the unusual food gained the English term ″tomato pie″ as a result of their efforts.
How do real Italians eat pizza?
Pizza is traditionally eaten with a fork and knife in Italy. Pizza should be eaten as soon as it comes out of the oven and while it is still hot. Waiting for your supper to cool down is simply not an option — according to procedure, it should be consumed immediately after preparation. As a result, if you grab a hot piece of pizza, you’re asking for a burn.
Why is pizza better in New York?
Many pizza cooks and New York pizza enthusiasts are of the opinion that the city’s water imparts unique properties to the city’s pizza dough. The tasty, thin, and surprisingly resilient crust of New York-style pizza distinguishes it from other styles of pizza. In addition, the water in New York contains a little amount of sodium, however it is in the form of particles rather than pinches.
Which city has best pizza in USA?
Hands down, these are the top ten best pizza cities in the United States.
- First place goes to Chicago, Illinois. Second place goes to New York, New York. Third place goes to New Haven, Connecticut. Fourth place goes to San Francisco, California. Fifth place goes to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Sixth place goes to Detroit, Michigan. Seventh place goes to Los Angeles, California. Eighth place goes to Buffalo, New York.
Why Is Pizza Called Pie? All About The Other Name For Pizza
Chances are that if you’ve ever eaten at a real Italian restaurant (or any restaurant that offers handmade pizza, for that matter), you’ve been offered a ″pie.″ Given that your pie looks, smells, and tastes precisely like a pizza, it’s difficult to understand why the waitress referred to it as a pie.Perhaps you made a blundered decision, you reason to yourself.And then you see or hear someone else refer to a pizza as a pie, and you start to wonder if you’ve wandered into another world.A subject that has remained unsolved throughout history is: why is pizza referred to as pie?If a pizza may be referred to as a pie, can a pie be referred to as a pizza?
Perhaps it makes no sense to use the terms ″pie″ and ″pizza″ interchangeably if they refer to two distinct foods that are not related?What does this imply for me?Can I call a pumpkin pie a pizza now?
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- This is all about the pizza that goes by another name!
Why Is Pizza Called Pie?
Gennaro Lombardi, an Italian immigrant who managed a small grocery shop in Little Italy, is credited for bringing pizza to the United States for the first time.During his lunch break, he would sell tomato pies that he had cooked himself.After establishing a restaurant in 1905 that would become the first pizza in the United States, he moved to Italy in 1907.The New York Tribune published an article on the new cuisine in December 1903, referring to it as ″Italian pie″ (pizza in Italian).Later in the text, the author describes the process of making a pizza, all the while comparing it to some type of tomato pie.
But it was primarily among Italian immigrants that Lombardi’s restaurant sparked a surge of enthusiasm for pizza across the United States.Vets who had returned from serving in Europe after World War II had a strong desire for the cuisine that they had enjoyed while abroad.Following this, a wave of popularity swept across the United States, with pizzas across the country being tweaked and adapted to fit the American palate.
- Pizza is currently one of the most popular dishes in the United States.
- A plethora of alternatives exist for eating pizza, ranging from dining in an Italian restaurant to baking a frozen pizza in the oven at home.
- As time goes on, the word ″pie″ for pizza appears to be becoming less and less commonplace.
- However, you’re more likely to hear the word ″pie″ used to refer to pizzas in New York — particularly among Italians and older generations in the city.
- Instead of referring to a slice of pizza, this word is most usually used to refer to a full pizza.
- Even in vernacular, Americans will refer to a pizza as a pie, regardless of where they live.
What Does A “Pizza Pie” Refer To?
Any form of pizza can be referred to as a pie, as long as the pizza is not served in individual pieces.Pizzas with a thick crust and pizzas with a thin crust can both be referred to as pies, regardless of the toppings.As a result, if you are handed an entire circle of pizza, this is considered a pie (sometimes known as a ″pizza pie″).If you are offered a slice of pizza, it is simply referred to as a slice of pizza or a slice of pizza pie, depending on the context.The reason for this is that the word ″pizza″ is rather unclear when it comes to describing what you’re talking about.
When ordering or discussing pizza, it’s important to be explicit since, while you may believe you’re referring to a full pizza, someone else may simply offer you a slice of pizza instead.As a result, Italians and some New Yorkers prefer to distinguish between the two by using the words ″pie″ and ″piece of pizza″ instead of ″pie and slice of pizza.″ If you look at it from another perspective, you wouldn’t just request ″water″ from a waiter.It is customary to request a bottle or a glass of water.
- You must be explicit about these topics in order to avoid any confusion or disappointment!
Pie vs Pizza
It’s crucial to grasp the difference between a pizza and a pie, even if the phrases might be used interchangeably, in order to avoid any misunderstandings.
What Is A Pizza?
Pizza dates back to 18th-century Italy when poor people needed to create a substantial food type with the ingredients they had.It has since spread across the world in popularity thanks to immigration, with each country having its own modifications of the iconic food.Pizza is made up of a round dough made by mixing wheat flour with yeast and water.It is then typically topped with tomato sauce, cheese, and other chosen toppings before being cooked in an oven.Some of the most popular toppings include pepperoni, salami, chicken, vegetables, ham, pineapple, mushrooms, olives, sausage, and more.
Virtually every country has its own way of making pizza, which is why each pizza looks and tastes different depending on where you go.
What Is A Pie?
A pie is a circular pastry dish that can be filled with either savory or sweet ingredients and served warm.A pie is normally 2″ thick and 8″ in diameter, and it only counts as a pie if it has been cooked before it is considered to be a pie.It is customary to make the crust for the pie itself using ingredients such as butter, flour, salt, and water.In the United States, a pie does not require a top crust, but it does require a bottom crust, unlike in Europe, pies nearly usually have a top crust.A pie and a tart are sometimes mistaken with one another; nevertheless, a tart will typically have a thicker crust than a pie.
Steak, cheese, chicken, mushroom, ale, kidney, chocolate, pumpkin, apple, and cream are some of the most popular pie fillings, but there are many more as well.
Who Calls A Pizza A Pie?
In the United States, the term ″pie″ is only ever used to refer to a pizza or a slice of bread.In part, this is prompted by a New York Times story that referred to a pizza as a tomato pie.Generally speaking, the phrase is most widely used